Author Topic: Super Suppers franchises  (Read 61409 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Beth

  • Guest
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #270 on: May 16, 2008, 12:59:43 PM »
I've been reading all the posts, etc. here and would like to comment and also see if anyone else out there who owned a meal-assembly franchise that went bankrupt has any advice. My sister opened a franchise last June 2007. She closed the doors January 1 2008 with a total debt of over $400,000. There are all kinds of "wrongs" in this situation (i.e. opening in the summer, bad location approved by franchise corporate, untruths about cost of build-out/opening, etc.,marketing not geared to specific areas -- I could go on and on) however I am more interested in how to dispose of all the equipment, etc. I have the duty of trying to find out how to deal with liquidating all of the  equipment since my sister has had a total breakdown over this and all of the stuff is in my basement! Yes, corporate was contacted in reference to maybe selling everything to a new location that might be opening since a ton of the stuff has their logo. They don't even want to talk to us anymore (I guess it's an embarassment!). Is there any way of finding out who might be opening a meal-assembly franchise soon that might need equipment? The bank is pounding on the door and she has nothing (a car and a mortgaged-to-the-hilt townhouse) but this equipment.
I think the meal-assembly concept is a good one, however the way the franchise opportunities are presented, with inflated projections and start-up costs that are unrealistic (always quoted too low!) should definitely bring up a big warning flag. Do lots and lots of research on YOUR particular area as this type of business seems successful only in certain up-scale locales. And don't buy into a franchise -- open your own!!!!!

Do Diligence

  • Guest
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #271 on: May 16, 2008, 01:15:56 PM »
It really hurts to hear stories like your sister.  I just wish there was a magic wand that I could wave so people would know exactly what they are doing before they sign a franchise agreement.  I understand what she is going through.  It is devastating.  My prayers are with you and your sister.  You must be a good sister to be there for her and I do hope she sells all that equipment.  Sincerely, Do Diligence

Offline lisa

  • Active Pundit (more than 12 posts)
  • ****
  • Posts: 15
  • Karma: +1/-1
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #272 on: May 16, 2008, 03:18:28 PM »


Beth, call Carmen at Fast Track auctions!  513-607-5094, or look them up on the web.  A lot of our stores have used them, and he is going to get rid of some of my equipment, also.  Our owners have done really well, though, I think there is an overabundance of used refrigerated carts on the market, so the take may go down this year, but they take care of everything!  Good luck, Lisa

Beth

  • Guest
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #273 on: May 17, 2008, 06:06:52 PM »
Thanks to everyone for your replies about my sister's situation. It was good for me to unload on this site! I'll definitely call the auction place and if there is any other information that anyone has -- I'd love to hear it! Thanks again for the support!

Truth in Franchising

  • Guest
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #274 on: May 17, 2008, 07:27:47 PM »
Beth - You may want to consider putting the equipment up on craigslist.org and ebay.

TIF

Offline Carol Cross

  • Hero Member (more than 20 posts)
  • *****
  • Posts: 131
  • Karma: +5/-503
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #275 on: May 18, 2008, 11:22:49 AM »
To Beth! 

You are a good sister and a good human being.   Hopefully,  you will think about the how and why of all that happened to your sister and you will try to educate your friends as to the dangers of franchising and the failure of the public policy that permits franchisors to misrepresent the success of what they are selling to the public.   Under "public policy"  franchisors  are not responsible for their representations made during the sales process and can disclaim all of their promises and representations in the actual boilerplate contract signed by both parties.  Franchisors are allowed to hype success outside of the contract and  NOT to DISCLOSE the risk as known to them and as long as they are in compliance with the FTC Rule and State FDD,  they are protected from any recourse for concealment of material facts in the sale of the franchise,  or from claims of fraudulent inducment to contract by misrepresenting the success of the franchise.               

Under public policy and the provisions of the FTC Rule that governs regulation,  franchisors are protected from Truth in Advertising laws, etc.. when the prospective franchisee is brought to sign the adhesory franchise agreement (the contract from hell) that contains the acknowledgement and integration clauses that are routine in franchise contracts.     

This is Public Policy protected by the status quo and will only change when more prospective franchisees and failed franchisees realize that this ugly Public Policy contributed to their financial destruction and emotional pain,  and bring this to the attention of The Congress of the United States.     

Carol 

 

Joe1000

  • Guest
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #276 on: May 18, 2008, 11:36:08 AM »
To Beth! 

You are a good sister and a good human being.   Hopefully,  you will think about the how and why of all that happened to your sister and you will try to educate your friends as to the dangers of franchising and the failure of the public policy that permits franchisors to misrepresent the success of what they are selling to the public.   Under "public policy"  franchisors  are not responsible for their representations made during the sales process and can disclaim all of their promises and representations in the actual boilerplate contract signed by both parties.  Franchisors are allowed to hype success outside of the contract and  NOT to DISCLOSE the risk as known to them and as long as they are in compliance with the FTC Rule and State FDD,  they are protected from any recourse for concealment of material facts in the sale of the franchise,  or from claims of fraudulent inducment to contract by misrepresenting the success of the franchise.               

Under public policy and the provisions of the FTC Rule that governs regulation,  franchisors are protected from Truth in Advertising laws, etc.. when the prospective franchisee is brought to sign the adhesory franchise agreement (the contract from hell) that contains the acknowledgement and integration clauses that are routine in franchise contracts.     

This is Public Policy protected by the status quo and will only change when more prospective franchisees and failed franchisees realize that this ugly Public Policy contributed to their financial destruction and emotional pain,  and bring this to the attention of The Congress of the United States.     

Carol 

 
Beth - I don't know who this Carol person is, but you should disregard her postings. From what I gather she has no professional franchising credentials and her posts are filled with incoherencies and inaccuracies. Your sister may have recourse against her franchisor, but this investigation will require the assistance of competent franchise legal counsel. Your sister should reach out to similarly situated current and former franchisees of her brand and research options.

Again I do not know this Carol person and while her posts may seem knowledgeable they are lack real substance. They are to be avoided.

Joe1000

Offline michael webster

  • Hero Member (more than 20 posts)
  • *****
  • Posts: 209
  • Karma: +14/-1
    • Franchise News
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #277 on: May 18, 2008, 01:01:47 PM »
Beth;

You should also get your sister some professional financial help.  Look over at bluemaumau.org for some references to Jim Herst to find out the type of help you need.  I am not recommending Mr. Herst, having had no dealings with him.  But his posts are useful.

You also need to see if your sister can file her business loss as a loss against future employment income.  You need a professional CPA to do this, one who has significant experience with this type of claim.

If your sister wants to consult a franchise litigator, she should look up the Legal Line at www.aafd.org
Michael Webster
665 Bedford Park
Toronto, Ontario

Visit: http://www.franchise-info.ca

Offline Carol Cross

  • Hero Member (more than 20 posts)
  • *****
  • Posts: 131
  • Karma: +5/-503
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #278 on: May 18, 2008, 02:35:37 PM »
Beth;

You should also get your sister some professional financial help.  Look over at bluemaumau.org for some references to Jim Herst to find out the type of help you need.  I am not recommending Mr. Herst, having had no dealings with him.  But his posts are useful.

You also need to see if your sister can file her business loss as a loss against future employment income.  You need a professional CPA to do this, one who has significant experience with this type of claim.

If your sister wants to consult a franchise litigator, she should look up the Legal Line at www.aafd.org

Offline Carol Cross

  • Hero Member (more than 20 posts)
  • *****
  • Posts: 131
  • Karma: +5/-503
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #279 on: May 18, 2008, 04:26:28 PM »
To Beth! 

You are a good sister and a good human being.   Hopefully,  you will think about the how and why of all that happened to your sister and you will try to educate your friends as to the dangers of franchising and the failure of the public policy that permits franchisors to misrepresent the success of what they are selling to the public.   Under "public policy"  franchisors  are not responsible for their representations made during the sales process and can disclaim all of their promises and representations in the actual boilerplate contract signed by both parties.  Franchisors are allowed to hype success outside of the contract and  NOT to DISCLOSE the risk as known to them and as long as they are in compliance with the FTC Rule and State FDD,  they are protected from any recourse for concealment of material facts in the sale of the franchise,  or from claims of fraudulent inducment to contract by misrepresenting the success of the franchise.               

Under public policy and the provisions of the FTC Rule that governs regulation,  franchisors are protected from Truth in Advertising laws, etc.. when the prospective franchisee is brought to sign the adhesory franchise agreement (the contract from hell) that contains the acknowledgement and integration clauses that are routine in franchise contracts.     

This is Public Policy protected by the status quo and will only change when more prospective franchisees and failed franchisees realize that this ugly Public Policy contributed to their financial destruction and emotional pain,  and bring this to the attention of The Congress of the United States.     

Carol 

 
Beth - I don't know who this Carol person is, but you should disregard her postings. From what I gather she has no professional franchising credentials and her posts are filled with incoherencies and inaccuracies. Your sister may have recourse against her franchisor, but this investigation will require the assistance of competent franchise legal counsel. Your sister should reach out to similarly situated current and former franchisees of her brand and research options.

Again I do not know this Carol person and while her posts may seem knowledgeable they are lack real substance. They are to be avoided.

Joe1000

Brenda ---  I quote one of the NEW Rule Changes for you that just confirms the Old FTC Rule from the article A Road Map to the New FTC Franchise Rule that is available on Google to read:   

"Further,  The FTC clarified that franchisors are allows to make financial performance representations in the media if such information is directed to the general  public rather than to prospective franchisees.8   News releases, website information, press articles, and the like are not financial performance representations unless they are supplies to prospects, or prospects are directed to them, during the franchise sales process."   

How could they enforce this and how would this work in the real world?  The Franchisor gets to disclaim everything in the actual contract that you will sign and how do prospective franchisees erase everything they have been told about success and profits?       

I suggest you Google Up the Article Franchise Fraud:  The Impact of Acknowledgement and Integration Provisions -- A License to Lie, Cheat and Steal?  by Richad Solomon of Franchise Remedies and read it more than once.   

I am out here just to WARN new prospects and especially the VET community who is vulnerable to predator franchisors because of a 2007 SBA PATRIOT EXPRESS LOAN INITIATIVE that is supposed to honor veterans who want to buy small businesses and FRANCHISES.   I am close to loved ones,  like you,  who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in a franchise adventure with a famous brand name. 

I am not against franchising if the true risk of the investment as known to the franchisor is disclosed by the seller  to the new buyer.   This is not being done under federal regulatory policy and the new FTC Rule and our Congress needs to do something about this.   

Carol 

Offline Truth in Franchising

  • Hero Member (more than 20 posts)
  • *****
  • Posts: 71
  • Karma: +43/-37
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #280 on: May 18, 2008, 04:47:23 PM »
To Beth! 

You are a good sister and a good human being.   Hopefully,  you will think about the how and why of all that happened to your sister and you will try to educate your friends as to the dangers of franchising and the failure of the public policy that permits franchisors to misrepresent the success of what they are selling to the public.   Under "public policy"  franchisors  are not responsible for their representations made during the sales process and can disclaim all of their promises and representations in the actual boilerplate contract signed by both parties.  Franchisors are allowed to hype success outside of the contract and  NOT to DISCLOSE the risk as known to them and as long as they are in compliance with the FTC Rule and State FDD,  they are protected from any recourse for concealment of material facts in the sale of the franchise,  or from claims of fraudulent inducment to contract by misrepresenting the success of the franchise.               

Under public policy and the provisions of the FTC Rule that governs regulation,  franchisors are protected from Truth in Advertising laws, etc.. when the prospective franchisee is brought to sign the adhesory franchise agreement (the contract from hell) that contains the acknowledgement and integration clauses that are routine in franchise contracts.     

This is Public Policy protected by the status quo and will only change when more prospective franchisees and failed franchisees realize that this ugly Public Policy contributed to their financial destruction and emotional pain,  and bring this to the attention of The Congress of the United States.     

Carol 

 
Beth - I don't know who this Carol person is, but you should disregard her postings. From what I gather she has no professional franchising credentials and her posts are filled with incoherencies and inaccuracies. Your sister may have recourse against her franchisor, but this investigation will require the assistance of competent franchise legal counsel. Your sister should reach out to similarly situated current and former franchisees of her brand and research options.

Again I do not know this Carol person and while her posts may seem knowledgeable they are lack real substance. They are to be avoided.

Joe1000

Brenda ---  I quote one of the NEW Rule Changes for you that just confirms the Old FTC Rule from the article A Road Map to the New FTC Franchise Rule that is available on Google to read:   

"Further,  The FTC clarified that franchisors are allows to make financial performance representations in the media if such information is directed to the general  public rather than to prospective franchisees.8   News releases, website information, press articles, and the like are not financial performance representations unless they are supplies to prospects, or prospects are directed to them, during the franchise sales process."   

How could they enforce this and how would this work in the real world?  The Franchisor gets to disclaim everything in the actual contract that you will sign and how do prospective franchisees erase everything they have been told about success and profits?       

I suggest you Google Up the Article Franchise Fraud:  The Impact of Acknowledgement and Integration Provisions -- A License to Lie, Cheat and Steal?  by Richad Solomon of Franchise Remedies and read it more than once.   

I am out here just to WARN new prospects and especially the VET community who is vulnerable to predator franchisors because of a 2007 SBA PATRIOT EXPRESS LOAN INITIATIVE that is supposed to honor veterans who want to buy small businesses and FRANCHISES.   I am close to loved ones,  like you,  who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in a franchise adventure with a famous brand name. 

I am not against franchising if the true risk of the investment as known to the franchisor is disclosed by the seller  to the new buyer.   This is not being done under federal regulatory policy and the new FTC Rule and our Congress needs to do something about this.   

Carol 
Carol by your own statement you are in fact ANTI-FRANCHISING "I am not against franchising if the true risk of the investment as known to the franchisor is disclosed by the seller  to the new buyer.   This is not being done under federal regulatory policy and the new FTC Rule and our Congress needs to do something about this."  Because since in your stated position that the "true risk of the investment" is not known so until franchise disclosure meets your ill-defined standard no franchise should be bought. You are an ass!

Offline Carol Cross

  • Hero Member (more than 20 posts)
  • *****
  • Posts: 131
  • Karma: +5/-503
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #281 on: May 18, 2008, 05:09:44 PM »
If I am the ASS,  TIF,  you are the asshole.   

My ill defined standard of what is MATERIAL to a new buyer of a franchise has been pointed out by me and others several times.   The FTC Rule acts to define "Earnings" as NOT MATERIAL to new buyers because franchisors don't have to make Earnings claims and few do and even fewer will in the future.     

Even "earnings claims"  don't disclose the material information that franchisees need to assess the risk and the rewards of the investment in the franchise.  Only historical performance statistics on a unit basis will provide the material information that should be disclosed or made available  to prospective franchisees under the PURPOSE of the RULE as stated by the FTC.   

Are you assigned to read and to try to discredit my posts?  Again,  you can't refute truth and just attack me and not what I have said or what I have quoted.   

Carol     

Offline Truth in Franchising

  • Hero Member (more than 20 posts)
  • *****
  • Posts: 71
  • Karma: +43/-37
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #282 on: May 18, 2008, 05:22:39 PM »
If I am the ASS,  TIF,  you are the asshole.   

My ill defined standard of what is MATERIAL to a new buyer of a franchise has been pointed out by me and others several times.   The FTC Rule acts to define "Earnings" as NOT MATERIAL to new buyers because franchisors don't have to make Earnings claims and few do and even fewer will in the future.     

Even "earnings claims"  don't disclose the material information that franchisees need to assess the risk and the rewards of the investment in the franchise.  Only historical performance statistics on a unit basis will provide the material information that should be disclosed or made available  to prospective franchisees under the PURPOSE of the RULE as stated by the FTC.   

Are you assigned to read and to try to discredit my posts?  Again,  you can't refute truth and just attack me and not what I have said or what I have quoted.   

Carol     
Obviously Carol you failed to comprehend my post so I've repeated it for you once again so you can attempt to actually answer it.

Carol by your own statement you are in fact ANTI-FRANCHISING "I am not against franchising if the true risk of the investment as known to the franchisor is disclosed by the seller  to the new buyer.   This is not being done under federal regulatory policy and the new FTC Rule and our Congress needs to do something about this." Because since in your stated position that the "true risk of the investment" is not known so until franchise disclosure meets your ill-defined standard no franchise should be bought. You are an ass!

Bankrupt Owner

  • Guest
Re: Super Suppers franchises
« Reply #283 on: October 10, 2009, 11:13:17 AM »
Sorry to hear about your situation.  I was a former Super Suppers owner (Fort Worth area) and went through everything you are going through.  After exploring all possibilities of how to get out of it and I ended up filing for bankruptcy and it worked out just fine.  

I was lied to by Sam Hance, Bill Byrd, and Mike Hanner (all criminals).  

Save the stress and just get it over with.  Give yourself a clean slate.